Came across this yesterday, courtesy of Pat Dougherty (I know he's a massive figure in the game, worked with Bolletieri, etc.) But what do you serve-meisters reckon?Personally, I like how he describes the technique/concept (a spring that's loaded, the archer's bow stuff makes perfect sense coming from Pat, etc), as well as the seemingly simple yet effective mechanics. Er, the bit about how many don't store enough energy during their motion certainly chimed with me. I want to try that back-foot pull in - raise arch very high - toes into the ground thing (that's more pronounced and vertical than what I usually do.) I love how he describes that with this technique, the server needs to feel the serve and not think in terms of how it looks visually. And generally I really liked the fluidity and snap in the girl's motion.Anyone have a view? 'Spring-loaded technique?' I, for one, might very well be giving it a go later today.Thx,R.
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Since I discovered this (about a year and a half ago), this has become one of my favorite serving styles. I am comfortable with quite a few styles - platform (wide), narrow platform (like Roddick), and pinpoint (including this spring-loaded variation of the pinpoint). Also feel at ease with a full (Sampras style) takeback, an abbreviated takeback or a hybrid takeback.
Also: High toss, low toss, knee bend after ball release, knee bend while tossing arm rises, etc.Of all these variations, the one that I use most often is a slight variation of the Serve Doctor's spring-loaded serve (as seen in his video). Altho' I use it quite a bit myself, I've only taught is to a few students. Came across this yesterday, courtesy of Pat Dougherty (I know he's a massive figure in the game, worked with Bolletieri, etc.) But what do you serve-meisters reckon?Personally, I like how he describes the technique/concept (a spring that's loaded, the archer's bow stuff makes perfect sense coming from Pat, etc), as well as the seemingly simple yet effective mechanics. Er, the bit about how many don't store enough energy during their motion certainly chimed with me. I want to try that back-foot pull in - raise arch very high - toes into the ground thing (that's more pronounced and vertical than what I usually do.) I love how he describes that with this technique, the server needs to feel the serve and not think in terms of how it looks visually. And generally I really liked the fluidity and snap in the girl's motion.Anyone have a view? 'Spring-loaded technique?'
I, for one, might very well be giving it a go later today.Thx,R. Although the young slugger-ette in the video gets to a good trophy position, her ready position where she begins moving her racquet toward her release point (just ahead of the 'drop and fire' up to the ball) has the racquet almost tucked in at her hip. It looks to be well ahead of the actual trophy pose. To my eye, she's kind of getting away with this extended wind-up and her motion is only just on time to the ball.I'd simply want to encourage her to get the racquet up behind her a little earlier and pause it up there instead of down below her shoulder.
This spring loaded technique being taught by Pat in this video is just a VERY abbreviated lesson on the 'prefered serve doctor technique' he advocates in his very good instructional video, 'Serve MPH's'. The young lady demonstrating the serve is also featured in Serve MPH's.
He calls it a very efficient serve technique, which I agree with, even more so after seeing his entire Serve MPH instructional video, which I feel is a nice improvement over his still very good Sonic Serve video. Next up for Pat is 'Serve RPM's, which he very briefly descibes at the end of the youtube video. Had fun trying this out for ages today. Hard to tell how effective it is on just this relative short time trying to get familiar with it. However, it did feel like there was a bit more going on, it was a bit more dynamic, and indeed 'spring'-like, if a little inconsistent. The big problem I had today was the impact this all had on raising the racket arm/timing - I found I was instinctively getting the racktet hand/arm raised too quickly.
Anyhow, I think I'll persist with it and see if any notable improvements do occur.R. Tricky,If you're reading this by any chance, would love to hear your thoughts re Serve Dr's Spring-loaded technique.As I said, my long session yesterday playing around with this did appear to bring some positive results, ie, I think I was getting a bit more of that correct energy hold/release or coil/uncoil and then snap (though a glitch immediately showed up then with my takeback/dropping the racket head/pronate into ball timing.)Q. How highly do you regard this? As ever with these things, I just like the simple concept behind it and the simple way Pat taught it.Thx,R. Came across this yesterday, courtesy of Pat Dougherty (I know he's a massive figure in the game, worked with Bolletieri, etc.) But what do you serve-meisters reckon?Personally, I like how he describes the technique/concept (a spring that's loaded, the archer's bow stuff makes perfect sense coming from Pat, etc), as well as the seemingly simple yet effective mechanics.
Er, the bit about how many don't store enough energy during their motion certainly chimed with me. I want to try that back-foot pull in - raise arch very high - toes into the ground thing (that's more pronounced and vertical than what I usually do.) I love how he describes that with this technique, the server needs to feel the serve and not think in terms of how it looks visually. And generally I really liked the fluidity and snap in the girl's motion.Anyone have a view? 'Spring-loaded technique?'
I, for one, might very well be giving it a go later today.Thx,R. You mean besides Rafa, Fed, Djoker, Sampras, Soderling, Verdasco.?Pat Dougherty is great communicator, and shows infectious enthusiasm. He makes it easier to understand the complex nature of the serve thoughout his serving video with great analogies, of which his spring analogy is just one.But coaches have been trying to get their players to do what Pat teaches for at least since Pancho Gonzales (and even earlier big servers) showed the importance of getting their whole body into their serve with a big windup.
You mean besides Rafa, Fed, Djoker, Sampras, Soderling, Verdasco.?Pat Dougherty is great communicator, and shows infectious enthusiasm. He makes it easier to understand the complex nature of the serve thoughout his serving video with great analogies, of which his spring analogy is just one.But coaches have been trying to get their players to do what Pat teaches for at least since Pancho Gonzales (and even earlier big servers) showed the importance of getting their whole body into their serve with a big windup. I have a student who has an elbow issue in her service motion. The serving arm elbow goes very high as she tosses the ball and starts to drop the racket head. She never does really achieve a proper trophy. She performs a proper service action when shadow swinging but as soon as she tosses an actual ball for a real serve, the elbow sneaks upward (way up) much too early.It seems that she had been doing this action so long before she came to me, that it is difficult for her to change this ingrained habit. Even if we start her racket head in dropped position (close to a scratch position), the elbow almost always rises significantly as she tosses the ball.AS an experiment, I decided to have her try a completely different motion.
Her normal service action employs a platform stance with a full (Sampras-esque) windup. I showed her the spring-loaded service action with its abbreviated takeback and pinpoint variation).
Surprisingly, she picked up the new motion after just a few tries.Her elbow position at the trophy is somewhat better, but still far from ideal. I'll have her watch the video to see if that doesn't help her with the elbow dilemma.
Any other ideas on how to break her of her old habit? Tried this serving motion yesterday - I went thru the entire serving motion without analyzing it from the get go. I found it to be very simple and fluid. I had a blast smacking the ball - flat, slice, topspin and kick.I noticed that is very important not to over think the movement; that's what I did after few serves and it messed me up.
I stepped back reset my position and just let it flow. Ahh much better!One other plus I noticed is the consistency of the ball toss.I'm sold and introduced this to my wife.
She's fairly new to the game. Still working on learning about this serve so far so good. I noticed big improvement on the pace and the depth of her serve.
She bought in to this serving motion as well. Yes, I believe that it is a very efficient and effective way to generate power. The twist temporarily stores energy, potential energy in the muscles of the core (and pecs). Quite a lot of power can be derived by offsetting the hips and torso. In more conventional serves, the hips start to uncoil a bit before the torso does. This offset has a similar effect.In open stance groundstrokes we often see the hips preset with an offset from the torso with open stance strokes - the torso is often coiled more than the hips to produce this (spring-loaded) offset.